The Skeleton Project

21 responses so far ↓

• mamma jamma // Nov 22, 2006 at 11:07 am

  Ummm so I don’t see why the first one was a war crame. At no time did they say it was a mob of civilians, could have been combatants… I seem to remember that during falluja civilians were told to leave because all people remaining there would be considered enemy combatants….

• locutus // Nov 22, 2006 at 11:30 am

  “…any male with a AK-47 or a gun was a target…”

  And your point would be? I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. They were asked to leave or be ruled combatants.

• smack // Nov 22, 2006 at 11:36 am

  That’s true. I agree 100% with that.
  But if you look at the video there were ALOT of unarmed civlians that were leveled. They cluster bombed the shit out of that city.

• dantheman156 // Nov 22, 2006 at 12:09 pm

  Completely irrelevant. The fact that a group o f CIVILLIANS were BOMBED in a 32-second decision process is clearly enough to merit a war crime.

  Was there any intelligence on these people? NO. They were a group of human beings - just like you and me, and they were killed by a trivial decision made between a pilot and his idiot commander.

• smack // Nov 22, 2006 at 12:12 pm

  totally you could not see AK-47’s from the fightet jet… they were just glazing everything and anything that moved in falluja.

• dantheman156 // Nov 22, 2006 at 12:14 pm

  “glazing everything and anything that moved in falluja”

  …war crimes anybody?

• dantheman156 // Nov 22, 2006 at 12:16 pm

  and mamma jamma, i’m sorry to say this but that’s the most idiotic point i’ve ever heard. “could have been combatants…”

  so there are some people walking on the street so they might be combatants. go look outside your window. maybe there are combatants there.

  when you kill innocent people, you’re only going to cause more insurgents. maybe that’s what we’re doing wrong with this war.

• funkpucker // Nov 22, 2006 at 12:46 pm

  I think dan the man just pwned you all. If you can’t see it, maybe that’s what’s wrong with you.

• Monody // Nov 22, 2006 at 1:03 pm

  it is infact a war crime …… it is not legal by the geneva conventions to drop a bomb on people ….. buildings- yes , military vehicles-yes …. people -no …… this video makes me un-proud that i was in, and had anything to do this war.

• Sam // Nov 22, 2006 at 2:23 pm

  Has there ever been a war in which innocents were not killed? Didn’t we bomb every city in Germany and Japan during WWII? Where were all the “anti-war” people when Clinton was killing civilians in Serbia? Sorry, war is hell, but this isn’t a war crime. And, btw, doesn’t the enemy intentionally kill civilians all the time? Cut off the head of captive civilians? Guess that’s okay with you guys though. The whole point is to bash America.

• smack // Nov 22, 2006 at 3:06 pm

  I love america. It just needs to look in the mirror. You should watch Fog of War http://www.sonyclassics.com/fogofwar/ .
  Robert McNamara admits if the lost they would have been war criminals. They fire bombed the shit out of Japan. More people were killed from the fire bombing than the nukes. And those were not enemy combatants…

  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/quotes
  [regarding his and Colonel Curtis LeMay’s involvement in the bombing of Japan during World War II]
  Robert McNamara: LeMay said if we lost the war that we would have all been prosecuted as war criminals. And I think he’s right. He… and I’d say I… were behaving as war criminals.
  Robert McNamara: LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side has lost.
  Robert McNamara: But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?

• BOB // Nov 22, 2006 at 3:53 pm

  The American invasion was ILLEGAL… thus all actions committed there were also illegal…

• dantheman156 // Nov 22, 2006 at 4:11 pm

  what the hell is fighting a war on ‘terror’. when we fought WWII, we declared war against Japan. Japan consists of Japanese people. When Japanese people died during WWII, as horrific as it was, they were casualties of war.

  we’re fighting a war on ‘terror’. so using the same logic, the people we should be killing should be terrorists. unfortunately, when our president says that 60,000 have died and other organizations estimate a figure eight times that, we might have a war criminal.

  not only that, but he knows that he is a war criminal in direct violation of the Geneva Convention:

  http://www.newcitizenship.net/2006/09/bush-aims-to-kill-war-crimes-act_11.html

  So we think he’s a war criminal and he KNOWS that he is a war criminal. What more can you ask for?

• Hugh // Nov 22, 2006 at 4:11 pm

  This was close air support. SOMEBODY called for air support for SOME reason. The jet arrives, spots a possible target, and is told to shoot. In all likelihood, the ground spotter knew which target the pilot was talking about when the pilot called it in.

  So, it was not a war crime….just good targeting! As for the photos of “abuse” of prisoners, it looks like their heads are still attached to their shoulders.

• amazng idiots // Nov 22, 2006 at 4:16 pm

  yes, just because a large group has organized and started to walk towards combat/gunfire doesn’t mean that they can’t be out for a stroll….

  ummmm, you guys don’t even stop to think do you?

• dantheman156 // Nov 22, 2006 at 4:29 pm

  “spots a possible target” - a group of 25 Iraqi civillians? Wow, I can’t imagine how many possible targets there are in that whole country. It would make more sense if we just killed them all.

  Their heads are still attached to their shoulders… Wow man. hitler didn’t have to take off the heads of the Jews before he gassed them, either.

• Mirroir // Nov 22, 2006 at 6:14 pm

  The individuals committing beheadings as a way to boost their morale are not commiting war crimes, they are commiting premeditated bestial murder.
  It has nothing to do with an army of allegidly civilized people “liberating” a country by culling people from the air, where combatant status is not, and can not be verified. The only excuse that would make this situation to be anything less than a warcrime (and mass murder at that…) would be a previous exchange with ground forces asking for that particular group of people to be taken out after their combatant status has been verified. No such words have been presented, therefore it is a warcrime. And unless you aspire to the “heights” of the groups performing the beheadings, don’t quote them as an excuse.

• Roger // Nov 22, 2006 at 6:58 pm

  That video was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen - that pilot should be brought up on charges!

  I mean cmon - one bomb for a huge crowd - he should have used a cluster bomb or 2 to herd them into one group, then used a GBU to take them all out at once..

• smack // Nov 22, 2006 at 7:07 pm

  Very well put Mirroir.

• Fred // Nov 23, 2006 at 3:06 am

  I can’t believe people are still touting the “they were told to leave Falluja”. People in New Orleans were “told to leave” as well and many didn’t and they aren’t living in a destroyed country. The roads still work. There aren’t mercenaries randomly shooting at civilians[1]. There aren’t bombers targeting any moving vehicles in New Orleans. Yet not everyone is able to leave.

  1. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MAD20051201&articleId=1381

• Dude // Nov 23, 2006 at 6:03 am

  It could have been a group of schoolchildren as well - we will never know.